GOP Grew a Little Backbone, Finally
At least GOP House leadership in a quite brilliant poker move forced the Dims to play there cards, in a 403-3 vote in support of not pulling our troops from Iraq in a cowardly cut and run surrender to Al Quaida in Iraq. I bet the loonbat base is about to explode, Cindy Sheehan what have you to say about that? Is it so hard for those that want to find out what is going on in Iraq to simply look at the same government's own websites that the MSM does and distorts to their sick agenda. Sites like, this one at Defend America and the numerous bloggers from Iraq both military and civilian offer a very different picture than our mainstream media wishes to portray. I will also add that the freely elected Iragi gov't has formally requested our help for at least another year.
I watched on CSpan last night and it was raucus heated and often ugly as the Dims lied through their teeth, openly. I had to shift into 4lo and hit the air lockers to get through the mud. Kudos to JD Hayworth and Duncan Hunter and the rest of the GOP House leadership, I hope they teach their Senate counterparts some lessons.
The President has outlined his plan many times very clearly and only those that don't wish to hear or see can deny it. It is simple continue to train Iraqi Security Forces until they are able to protect the free and democratic Iraq from those that wish to return it to the stone age. He is finally calling the enemy by their name, islamo-fascist murderers bent on instilling a dictocratic theocracy through violence and dhimmitude. Noone should wish the violence that the jihadists murders would bring on the innocent Iraqis should we pull a Vietnam retreat as Bin Laden has continuously mentioned as well as Somalia and Lebanon. By the way, OBL, the media hog has been very silent for a long time now, makes a curious mind wonder, as Zarqawi continues to slaughter indiscriminately even at the rebuke of the AQ #2 man, Zarwahiri. The Jordanian and Palistinian streets rang with" Death to Zarqawi" chants and he blows up mosques yesterday.
The loony lefts support of this strategy is astounding, I fail to understand how abandoning innocent people and allies to mercenary thugs is redeeming of our image in the world? Redeeming in the murderer's eye as it allows him access to your children.
If you don't know and want to, just ask, someone will inform you of where to go to find out. I can see why the liberal writers of the lefty MSM are so snippy now as every word gets parsed through the active conservative new media. I am a basic simple citizen and I feel better informed than many of those claiming to speak for me in our elected bodies, stupid, narcissistic or just plain disinformation or a combination, I don't know. I just know the Howard Deaniacs turn my stomach and cause Torets like twitches and sporadic outbursts of language I would not otherwise use hurled at an inanimate radio, TV, or monitor screen.
I voted as a center-right independant untill last year when I registered with the GOP because of the pure idiocy coming from the DNC after the 2000 elections, in which, I did not place a presidential vote, could not stand either. George Bush earned my support through taxcuts and a strong response to 9/11 and the loony left's avid hatred for him , never liked those pinkos. I now stand back to back with fellow conservatives to defend the GOP against insidious RINOs.
Seriously, what would you like to know about the GWOT and the central front in Iraq? Hopefully my friends and I can help you, in fact, I am positive we can.
Update: Welcome, Al Franken and AirAmerica readers, I hope you find my site sufficiently irritating to draw out your pure hatred of the conservative agenda so your hatred can be exposed further for the bankrupt flytrap it is. Hey guys, Airamerica found me, yippee, maybe they will grant me the same honor they grant Michele Malkin with their xxx insults. I would love to post them on the front page so the world can view the banality and immaturity of their rants.
As I am honored to present my 15 seconds of fame at Al Franken's site.
The freely elected government of Iraq declares it is able to protect its citizens from islamo-fascism" will they achieve this ability before or after their civil war?and, are islamo-fascist any more malevolent than christo-fascists?
"they have formally requested we stay until then." that explains the insurgency....
"The ISF is taking a larger share of the burden everyday."and terrorist activity is on the increase.
"None of them though definate connections between Saddam's regime and AQ have been established" you consider non-definite connections a valid reason for a "pre-emptive" invasion?
"explain Zarqawi on the other hand, Coconut."all take a stab at it: we've successfully destabalized the nation/region for him.
"No, never claimed, only proven support of AQ. Direct involvement never claimed."great. what support/in-direct involvement can you claim? and how is support to be considered "indirect"?
"OBL has not been heard from in a long time, probably dead" based on what evidence?
"but his #2" which #2?
"and #3 have been heard from in Iraq, Zarwahiri and Zarqawi."
yes, iraq is where they can easily find us.
"I would like to see free enterprise rebuild the gulf coast not bloated corrupt beuracracies." who wouldn't?
"New Orleans was the veritable "outhouse" of socialist liberalism and corruption" very generous appraisal.
"and its failed policies." which policies are these?
"FEMA is not a first reponder group" this is a gop buzzword. fema is charged with managing emergencies, hence the acronym. "first" response or otherwise, piss-poor response is unacceptable.
"it is designed to help financially" "manage".
"not as a rooftop rescue organization" who suggested it is?
"which the Coast Guard was doing the second they could get there, doing their job, choppers were pulling folks of roofs as soon as winds let them."
well done, coast guard. "We should not pay for bridges rich states can easily afford" and if these "rich" states cnnot "easily" afford them? you understand, of course, that the construction of bridges creates construction jobs, which creates revenue, which creates tax revenue? and that bridges and highways promote the commerce which is so critical to our economy?
"and we should noy pay for leeches at the social level."your concern for, and generosity towards, your fellow americans is commendable. what is "the social level"?
KEvron
"I was jumped"Submitted by onthetroll on September 27, 2005 - 8:15pm.
37 comments:
Yes they are very good questions.
#1- The freely elected government of Iraq declares it is able to protect its citizens from islamo-fascism, they have formally requested we stay until then. The ISF is taking a larger share of the burden everyday.
#2- None of them though definate connections between Saddam's regime and AQ have been established, explain Zarqawi on the other hand, Coconut.
#3_ No, never claimed, only proven support of AQ. Direct involvement never claimed.
#4- OBL has not been heard from in a long time, probably dead, but his #2 and #3 have been heard from in Iraq, Zarwahiri and Zarqawi.
#5- I would like to see free enterprise rebuild the gulf coast not bloated corrupt beuracracies. New Orleans was the veritable "outhouse" of socialist liberalism and corruption, and its failed policies. FEMA is not a first reponder group it is designed to help financially not as a rooftop rescue organization which the Coast Guard was doing the second they could get there, doing their job, choppers were pulling folks of roofs as soon as winds let them. We should not pay for bridges rich states can easily afford and we should noy pay for leeches at the social level.
"The freely elected government of Iraq declares it is able to protect its citizens from islamo-fascism"
will they achieve this ability before or after their civil war?
and, are islamo-fascist any more malevolent than christo-fascists?
"they have formally requested we stay until then."
that explains the insurgency....
"The ISF is taking a larger share of the burden everyday."
and terrorist activity is on the increase.
"None of them though definate connections between Saddam's regime and AQ have been established"
you consider non-definite connections a valid reason for a "pre-emptive" invasion?
"explain Zarqawi on the other hand, Coconut."
all take a stab at it: we've successfully destabalized the nation/region for him.
"No, never claimed, only proven support of AQ. Direct involvement never claimed."
great. what support/in-direct involvement can you claim? and how is support to be considered "indirect"?
"OBL has not been heard from in a long time, probably dead"
based on what evidence?
"but his #2"
which #2?
"and #3 have been heard from in Iraq, Zarwahiri and Zarqawi."
yes, iraq is where they can easily find us.
"I would like to see free enterprise rebuild the gulf coast not bloated corrupt beuracracies."
who wouldn't?
"New Orleans was the veritable "outhouse" of socialist liberalism and corruption"
very generous appraisal.
"and its failed policies."
which policies are these?
"FEMA is not a first reponder group"
this is a gop buzzword. fema is charged with managing emergencies, hence the acronym. "first" response or otherwise, piss-poor response is unacceptable.
"it is designed to help financially"
"manage".
"not as a rooftop rescue organization"
who suggested it is?
"which the Coast Guard was doing the second they could get there, doing their job, choppers were pulling folks of roofs as soon as winds let them."
well done, coast guard.
"We should not pay for bridges rich states can easily afford"
and if these "rich" states cnnot "easily" afford them?
you understand, of course, that the construction of bridges creates construction jobs, which creates revenue, which creates tax revenue? and that bridges and highways promote the commerce which is so critical to our economy?
"and we should noy pay for leeches at the social level."
your concern for, and generosity towards, your fellow americans is commendable. what is "the social level"?
KEvron
though your hate-filled rant is very impressive, i consider your question to be a concession to my point; that the only reason al-qaeda is in iraq is because we destablized the region with our feckless invasion.
i think it's a terrible idea to use our gi's as bait for terrorists.
oh, and our soldiers do not provide us our freedoms. our creator does this. our constittion protects these freedoms, and our soldiers defend them. sadly, they are being wasted in iraq.
dead (unproven speculation) or alive; where's osama?
In order to expand the gifts the Creator has granted us we protect the free people of Iraq as they establish the ability to protect themselves. I would rather see our Voluntary armed forces destroying those that wish to destroy our nation fought on foriegn soil than our own. We must elevate freedom not surrender to AQ in Irag and invite them to our shores through a show of weakness.
i just noticed your update to this thread. very gracious, and not the least bit banal, trite or immature. well done.
you showed us.
KEvron
"...sufficiently irritating to draw out your pure hatred of the conservative agenda so it can be exposed further for the bankrupt flytrap it is."
btw, as this is written, you are saying the conservative agenda may be exposed for the bankrupt flytrap that it is. sorry, but that's how it reads.
just thought you'd like to know. it's your true friends who let you know your fly is open....
KEvron
Read it as you will, at least the radio stations I listen to don't rob children and elderly clubs and then deny it and fail to raise operating revenue without begging like NPR and living at the taxpayer trough. The radio personalities I listen to don't pitch hissy fits and throw chairs as Franken did on Medved's show live. We don't blatantly lie as as the DNC is currently doing in its disinformation campaign of slimy propoganda.You know making me work to put down your lies makes me wiser and you weaker. You've lost since Reagan and don't know how to fix it. Here's a clue, observe France, socialism does not work.
Oh, and thanks for the editing advice, corrected to read more to my liking, LOL.
Your political astuteness amazes me, I was speaking of bridges in Alaska not the I-10, I figured you liberals would be all for denying federal funds going to an oil rich red state in order to help pay for Gulf reconstruction, seems only true conservatives voted for that. I have to admit that even San Fran Nan offered to give up some of her earmarked pork, while Ted Stevens was an embarrassement. Oh and I should add that I have connections to USCentCom and my information is first hand often from boots on the ground in Iraq.
Hey Franken slime trolls, welcome to Billy Goat Gruff's Barnyard. This is a true honor to jumped by the slime patrol and to make them sound childish. Thanks guys my horns needed a rousing workout, BAAAAA! And some needed blog fodder as well.
Goat said...
Read it as you will, at least the radio stations I listen to don't rob children and elderly clubs and then deny it and fail to raise operating revenue without begging like NPR and living at the taxpayer trough.
It's amazing how a company can stay afloat with this HUGE issue compromising it's integrity and character! Now if you can just get anyone besides your neo-con buddies to take your baseless talking "points"(word used as a loose interpretation) seriously....
Goat said...
The radio personalities I listen to don't pitch hissy fits and throw chairs as Franken did on Medved's show live.
Famous words from the the VP Dick Cheney on the floor of the Senate: 'GO F___ YOURSELF'
If that's not a total lack of composure, than I guess I don't know what is....I'd expect more from an elected official.
Goat said...
We don't blatantly lie as as the DNC is currently doing in its disinformation campaign of slimy propoganda.
Baseless assertions? Quite a bold statement to make without a word of something that could be considered evidence to your claim. But what do liberals know about propaganda anyway? Once again, I'd like to refer to one more of your elected officials, Mr W himself:
See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over
again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda. ... Oy....
Goat said...
know making me work to put down your lies makes me wiser and you weaker.
Well, you better get going then, I'd say your looking weak at best.
Goat said...
You've lost since Reagan and don't know how to fix it. Here's a clue, observe France, socialism does not work.
Yeah, that prosperity and economic boom of the Clinton years seems like nothing more than a blip on the radar for you. How sad that your so filled with hatred for groups that don't accept your 'wordly' view that you can actually see things that aren't there, or not see things that are staring you in the face.
Now tell me how much worse it was when Clinton was in office. I want things I can't refute. Provable facts usually do the trick.
One more thing....when you say "look at France", are you refering to the recent rioting that's been taking place? What does that have to do with socialism?
You never saw a race riot happen in the United States? Doesn't make much sense to me.
bobcollum,
you've provided some excellent examples to support goat's claims. well done, the both of you.
i feel right at home here! and the political discourse is as stimulating as it is civil. thanks again, goat, and way to show us.
KEvron
"Your political astuteness amazes me"
i might say the same thing of you, good friend. your response re the issue of bridges was very timely.
KEvron
Clinton's economic boom built on a .bomb bubble that burst and the stock market crashed while he was still in office. In 1998 Clinton passed the Iraqi Liberation act calling for regime change. We have been at war with Islamo-fascism since 1979 at least they have been at war with us, between '79 and 9/11/01 there were over 7000 terrorist attacks around the world by islamic jihadis. Clinton allowed the Taliban to come to strength in Afganistan and establish training camps for jihadist terrorists and AQ Khan was running around selling nuclear secrets to Iran, Iraq, Libya and North Korea. Since the fall of Saddam, Libya gave up its program and there have been free elections in Iraq, Palistine, Egypt, and even Saudi Arabia is taking steps towards reform.
France well the surrender monkeys are in trouble , no economy, no jobs and ghettos full of unemployed muslim youths, sounds like recipe for disaster, even college educated white guys can't find work there so they leave. Perhaps some research beyond AirAmerica's failing bloviators would enlighten you some more. Why is their market share falling so fast that they are losing stations left and right and some markets have no measurable listeners?
Some facts from a Norman Podhoretz article in the Wallstreet Journal last week.
But the consensus on which Mr. Bush relied was not born in his own administration. In fact, it was first fully formed in the Clinton administration. Here is Bill Clinton himself, speaking in 1998:
If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons-of-mass-destruction program.
Here is his Secretary of State Madeline Albright, also speaking in 1998:
Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risk that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.
Here is Sandy Berger, Clinton's National Security Adviser, who chimed in at the same time with this flat-out assertion about Saddam:
He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.
Finally, Mr. Clinton's secretary of defense, William Cohen, was so sure Saddam had stockpiles of WMD that he remained "absolutely convinced" of it even after our failure to find them in the wake of the invasion in March 2003.
Nor did leading Democrats in Congress entertain any doubts on this score. A few months after Mr. Clinton and his people made the statements I have just quoted, a group of Democratic senators, including such liberals as Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, and John Kerry, urged the President "to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons-of-mass-destruction programs."
Nancy Pelosi, the future leader of the Democrats in the House, and then a member of the House Intelligence Committee, added her voice to the chorus:
Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons-of-mass-destruction technology, which is a threat to countries in the region, and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.
This Democratic drumbeat continued and even intensified when Mr. Bush succeeded Mr. Clinton in 2001, and it featured many who would later pretend to have been deceived by the Bush White House. In a letter to the new president, a group of senators led by Bob Graham declared:
There is no doubt that . . . Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical, and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf war status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.
Sen. Carl Levin also reaffirmed for Mr. Bush's benefit what he had told Mr. Clinton some years earlier:
Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations, and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them.
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton agreed, speaking in October 2002:
In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical- and biological-weapons stock, his missile-delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al-Qaeda members.
Senator Jay Rockefeller, vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, agreed as well:
There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. . . . We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.
Even more striking were the sentiments of Bush's opponents in his two campaigns for the presidency. Thus Al Gore in September 2002:
We know that [Saddam] has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.
And here is Mr. Gore again, in that same year:
Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter, and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.
Now to John Kerry, also speaking in 2002:
I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force--if necessary--to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.
Perhaps most startling of all, given the rhetoric that they would later employ against Mr. Bush after the invasion of Iraq, are statements made by Sens. Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd, also in 2002:
Kennedy: "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Byrd: "The last U.N. weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical- and biological-warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons."
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007540
Contrary to ongoing reports by mainstream media outlets, WMDs have been found in Iraq, so reports New York Times best-selling author Richard Miniter in his new book, Disinformation.
Consider these shocking facts:
• Found: 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium
• Found: 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons
• Found: Roadside bomb loaded with sarin gas
• Found: 1,000 radioactive materials--ideal for radioactive dirty bombs
• Found: 17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent five times more powerful than sarin
This is only a partial list of the deadly weapons Miniter reveals in his new book, Disinformation. Miniter systematically dissects the "No-WMD Myth" (how it started, and why it continues), as well as 21 other War-on-Terror myths perpetuated by the media.
• Found: 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium
http://tinyurl.com/eymvy
[....]
"The nuclear material - 1.8 tonnes of low enriched uranium and 500 tonnes of natural uranium - had been under IAEA seal since 1991."
no big whoop; it had been accounted for.
• Found: 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons
http://tinyurl.com/775wv
[....]
"Boylan said the suspected lab was new, dating from some time after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003."
new. post-saddam.
• Found: Roadside bomb loaded with sarin gas
http://tinyurl.com/dgf4l
[....]
"The former top U.S. weapons inspector in Iraq, David Kay, said it was possible the shell was an old relic overlooked when Saddam said he had destroyed such weapons in the mid-1990s."
one decrepit relic does not a wmd cache make.
• Found: 1,000 radioactive materials--ideal for radioactive dirty bombs
http://tinyurl.com/8kw9w
[....]
"They had been used in Iraq for a range of medical and industrial purposes, such as testing oil wells and pipelines.
"Uranium is not suitable for making a dirty bomb. But some of the other radioactive material - including cesium-137, colbalt-60 and strontium - could have been valuable to a terrorist seeking to fashion a terror weapon.
"Such a device would not trigger a nuclear explosion, but would use conventional explosives to spread radioactive debris. While few people would probably be killed or seriously affected by the radiation, such an explosion could cause panic, make a section of a city uninhabitable for some time and require cumbersome and expensive cleanup."
dirty bombs are not the wmd we were supposedly looking for in saddam's iraq, nor do they even constitute wmd. it's the terrorists in post-saddam iraq who seek these weapons.
• Found: 17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent five times more powerful than sarin
http://tinyurl.com/2xdez
[....]
"Polish troops had been searching for munitions as part of their regular mission in south-central Iraq when they were told by an informant in May that terrorists had made a bid to buy the chemical weapons, which date back to Saddam Hussein's war with Iran in the 1980s, Gen. Marek Dukaczewski told reporters in Warsaw."
again, post-saddam terrorists, spurred by our invasive pressence.
relics and terrorist acquisitions. "saddam's wmd" is the only myth i see....
KEvron
I know this makes me a "radical", but we need to keep our troops in Iraq.............FOREVER!!!
Beef up the force, put a full carrier group in the Persian Gulf and Meditteranean, and keep them there forever.
This region isn't responsible enough to leave alone.....I don't want to steal their oil, and I don't care if they ever become democratic.
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Our troops know their jobs, and know they are not in uniform to protect Fort Dix, Camp Pendleton, Coronado Naval Station or Luke Air Force Base..........They are in to protect America. --> The best way to fill this need is to have a permanent, massive force in the Middle East (otherwise known as Hell on Earth).
"FOREVER!!!"
like the soviets in afghanistan?
whatever happened to them anyway?
KEvron
speaking of "cutting and running" and dishonoring our servicemen's efforts:
afghanistan/taliban/obl.
'nuff said.
KEvron
"This is only a partial list...."
perhaps you should give us a complete list....
KEvron
Forever: Like the Romans in Egypt, Spain, Gaul, etc.
Not like the Soviets.......I leave acting like them to American Leftists.
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By the way: Do you have a problem with our troops in Cuba and S. Korea too???
They are no different than the force I'm hoping for in Iraq.
"By the way: Do you have a problem with our troops in Cuba and S. Korea too???"
yes, i do. and with redundant punctuation, too.
rome: now there's a super-power to be reckoned with.
whatever happened to them?
KEvron
semper
latin for "always, ever, forever", as in semper fidelis, "forever loyal".
latin is what's known as a "dead language".
KEvron, so loyal to our servicemen, he'd like to see them come home alive and in one piece.
"Not like the Soviets.......I leave acting like them to American Leftists"
you mean the way the soviets pursued a long-term occupation of a middle eastern country of which they understood very little? an occupation that drained funds and resources, which contributed to the eventual fall of that regime?
i don't know too many leftists who meet that description. know what i mean?
KEvron, e pluribus unum
There are few things sweeter than calling a a DNC bluff just as we did with Charlie Rangel's draft proposal, it lost 402-2 as well when brought to the floor. You DNC, Michael Moore nuts look like you are eviscerated politically, site all the polls taken in LA, SF and NY you want, it is fly over country that determines electoral results.
"vociferous assault"
ooh! sounds terrible. who was it that vociferously assaulted you, friend. simply post the offending words from that frankenslime, and i'll have a talk with the guy. i'll set him straight.
KEvron
"So Kevron, do you support communist regimes as in Cuba and Venezuela?"
i support their right to choose that system of economics, though it's not to my taste, communism. i would also like to see the us open up trade with cuba, with stipulations regarding certain freedoms in that country.
"Are you an anti-american socialist?"
no, i'm a pro-american socialist/capitalist.
"Do you believe in freedom and liberty?"
i believe in both of them, yes.
good questions.
KEvron
"There are few things sweeter than calling a a DNC bluff"
i consider refuting your so-called "incomplete list" of saddam's mythical wmd to be one of those few things.
btw, to which bluff are you referring?
KEvron
The bluff for immediate withdrawal by that ex-marine, Murtha, rejected 403-3 in the House, Marines don't cut and run and stand up for their convictions, Murtha cut and ran from his own words to the MSM press, shameful and not Marine.
it was not murtha's resolution that was defeated 403-3. that was a republican resolution.it was a mockery of murtha's. further, it was a mockery of the war, a mockery of our gi's and a mockery of peace.
marines do what their commanders tell them to do.
please cite examples of murtha "cutting and running" from his own words to the msm.
could you please provide the text of murtha's resolution, and the text of the resolution which received the 403-3 vote?
KEvron
My sources are posted all over my blog. Sure ,whatever, KEV, they are now on record for voting to stay the course. Whine all you want, there will be no immediate or near future withdrawal. Did you know the murder rate in DC is higher per 100,000 than the death toll per 100,000 troops in Iraq?
on your ubiquitous sources:
then surely you know that the resolution which recieved the 403-3 vote was not murtha's draft, nor did it accurately reflect murtha's points.
on "on the record":
again with the false dichotomies. no, they are on the record for voting against the republican's measure, a measure which was a mockery of murtha's words.
on murder rates:
ignoring the apples and oranges aspect of this line of reasoning, you've got that stat a tad wrong, i'm sure. using your "death toll per 100,000 troops" calculus gives us about 600 deaths per 100,000(are we averaging the number of troops in iraq over the last two and a half years, or using current figures?) per year. the population of dc is almost 600,000; that would make the murder rate in that city 3,600 murders per year.
i don't know who told you this lie, but you should punch him in the face for trying to deceive you.
KEvron
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