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Saturday, June 18, 2005

Romney in 08

Robert Novak seems to think so.

He will need to speak of it early and clear the air regarding his LDS leaning. I have no problem with it, personally. He is a real good man and that is what is important. Can he beat Hillary? That is 31/2 years away, I am supporting what President Bush is trying to get done right now.

17 comments:

tequilarain said...

And so do I. I've been saying it for over a year. It's not even a question. Anyone who knows anything about operating professional political campaigns can see he is running from a mile away. He is spending time and money in all of the early primary states. He is going hard right on the gay marriage issue even though he knows it has no chance of getting through in MA. He has held high level meetings in DC and so forth. He's running. The Mormonism is his one and only handicap and he is a devout Mormon. However, he also graduated Harvard Business School with President Bush and has very, very close ties to the Bush family in general so I believe a little stumping with Bush by his side will help him overcome the Mormon problem.

tequilarain said...

Oh yeah, and a lot of his staff have exited which is an indicator that he may have clued them in regarding his status for re-election as governor in 06. Uh hmm.

Cindy duPont said...

While I also am watching the Romney machine gearing up, I maintain that the Mormon issue will be the final stumbling block for his realistic success on a national level. I maintain that it won't matter how devout a Mormon he is. The very fact that he is a Mormon will sink him in the Bible Belt...especially among Evangelical Christians. I feel as strongly against him as you obviously do for him. Were he to end up on a national ticket, I could not support him for this one reason. Mormonism is not a Christian religion; it's a cult that borrows from Christianity just enough to give it superficial credibility. A deeper study into the tenets of this religion would reveal its obvious doctrinal flaws and overt blasphemy to any conservative Christian. I don't wish to debate or debunk Mormonism here; I would, however, suggest that anyone considering supporting Romney look at his religion and what it would portend......Furthermore, most Christians aren't so naive as to accept even George Bush's endorsement
(which I doubt would happen)of this man. I've said all this fully realizing that on paper he is the Golden Child.

tequilarain said...

Uhm, he's already been hooking up with Bush in subtle ways. Se la vi. If the people of this country are so shallow that they can't get by his Mormonism, the country doesn't deserve him. Bottom line is, he is a true conservative, extremely well qualified, and would make a great President.

tequilarain said...

I might be becoming an atheist or something.

Cindy duPont said...

You choose the word "shallow." Most "shallow" Americans won't have issues with his Mormonism. The deeply religious, conservative Evangelicals which comprise the Bible Belt voting bloc will definitely choose to NOT deserve Romney. As for Bush throwing his support behind Romney....I would be very surprised. We can debate this and disagree ad nauseum, but only time will tell. As for you being any kind of atheist, I wouldn't know. I guess that's between you and God. I only know that I am not willing to compromise my basic faith for any secular reason...especially politics.

Cindy duPont said...

P.S. You said in an earlier post that he is a devout Mormon. That statement scares me down to my OPI Java Mauve toenails.
Perhaps if you understood just what exactly Mormonism is...I have several VCR tapes on the subject...from a Christian perspective... that I would gladly share if you were interested. If I could figure out how to maintain relative anonymity on both sides, I would gladly let you BORROW them. It would at least help you to understand where exactly I'm coming from. At any rate, at this point, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Peace...

tequilarain said...

I understand Mormonism and find it to be rather ridiculous myself. A man comes out of the woods and declares x,y,and z and so forth. One of my college professors is a close friend of Romney and is in the same church as he is. But again, at the end of the day, if he can lead the nation, which he can, and if he has the experience to keep this nation on track, which he does, who cares what he is? He certainly looks the part, he has the education and experience to back it all up and he is FAR RIGHT. I still contend that he is the best chance the Repubs have against Hillary and make no mistake about it, Hillary is the 08 nominee. It just sounds to me like because he is a Mormon people dismiss him out of hand even though he fights for the same things Christians do--pro life--anti-gay marriage, fiscal conservatism, personal accountability and so forth. If he wants to believe in the Mormon faith, wll that is a great example of what this country is all about. Freedom of religion, non discrimination etc.

Cindy duPont said...

We may as well congratulate
Hillary right now then. Who cares what he is? I care, and I am certain that several million others will also. I'm all for freedom of religion, but that doesn't mean I will give tacit approval to a cult member's rise to the most powerful office on the planet. He is what he is,
and no amount of clean living, family values, and conservative dogma will make him acceptable...to me
or those like me. Discount us if you dare, but we are indeed the silent majority who hold the power to influence or determine the next election.

tequilarain said...

Tell me what he "is" Cindy.

tequilarain said...

Some would argue Catholicism is a cult and people have said forever that it would be hard to get a Catholic into the presidency. Is that true? JFK was the only Catholic president. Some of the most important founders in our history including Johnson, Jefferson and quite possibly the best president ever, Lincoln, didn't even have any specific denomination. Nixon was a Quaker. What is so dangerous about having a potential Mormon in the White House? I think he really is the only one with a fighting chance against Hillary if people would get by the Mormonism. Like I said he is pro life, anti gay marriage, for self reliance/fiscal conservatism---what's the problem precisely?? Tell me exactly why people would be so nervous.

Cindy duPont said...

What he "is" is a devout Mormon. Unless/until you study Mormonism closely and compare it to the doctrines of the Christian church, you will continue to say, "What's the problem?" Mormonism was founded on the principle that ALL other churches are an abomination to God, and has as its goal the conversion of the world through a widespread, organized system of proselytism. It is a cult because by definition to a Christian, a cult is any mindset or religion that adds to or tries to change the original scriptures or teachings of Jesus Christ.
A Mormon believes that each man will end up as a GOD with his own planet, enjoying dominion over it with his spirit wives and spirit children. As Christians, we only aspire to be "like" Jesus. A Mormon rejects the Trinity.
Elohim, a God from the planet Kohl, heard the early Earthlings' pleas for a redeemer. Two of his spirit children, Jesus and Lucifer, volunteered for the job. Jesus was chosen, leaving his brother Lucifer resentful to the point that he and 1/3 of his followers were cast off the planet, came to earth, and became Satan and demons. Elohim came to earth and had physical sex with Mary, the result of which was Jesus. A Mormon rejects Jesus' crucifixion as an atonement for our sins. His death only wiped out Adam's sin. A Mormon rejects our plan of salvation through faith, requiring instead tithing and good works to earn it.
I could go on, but what makes me and others like me "nervous" is Mormonism's wholesale of rejection of Christianity as we know it,
and the growing success of this perverse substitution which masquerades as a Christian faith. I have no problem with a Catholic or any other established Judeo-Christian candidate...even a Lieberman. I think it is VITAL for our country to be led by a strong man of faith. If I have any choice in the matter, and I hope I and others like me will, I will vote only for the candidate whose basic beliefs are palatable. A
Mormon's beliefs are not.
Romney sounds perfect in every way except this. Even you admit that his Mormonism will be an obstacle. Only time will tell just how big of one.
His religious practices make him unacceptable to me. I can anticipate your retort. Guilty as charged, with no regrets.

tequilarain said...

Well I don't know what you're anticipating but I do find it ironic that in a country where religious freedom is tantamount, people are going to hold it against a guy who has never once aired his personal beliefs in his religion to affect public policy. I don't elect spiritual leaders to the presidency. I elect solid public policy makers, strong fiscal managers and people who put America and the safety of her people first. Who else can run against Hillary is all I want to know. Guiliani? Forget it. 3 wives. Social liberal. McCain? he's a RINO and will have great difficulty getting by the primaries which determine the nominee because the far right supervoters see him as a Dem. Frist? Newt? Plywood in the personality department. No charisma. Even Newt acknowledges he is too cerebral for it. Sanford out of South Carolina? Maybe But that would take a lot of work and his academic background is just average by presidential standards. Owens? Again, maybe. I jsut think head to head with Romney and Hillary onstage, Romney outshines Hillary and I'll take the devout Mormon over the change with the wind Hill any day.

tequilarain said...

BTW I have been considering some running mates for Hillary. While John McCain would be the name most would mention, I'm betting it's Harold Ford Jr. Young, black, centrist.

Cindy duPont said...

I live in South Carolina, and I don't think you need even put Sanford in your mix. He is considered a lightweight around here. I voted for him only because his name was on the Republican side of the ballot, and I felt pretty sure he wasn't an ax murderer. His PlainJane spouse got my ire when she decided to have an inaugural
BARBEQUE instead of the traditional ball, and she announced that she was NO clothes horse and would be getting her outfit for the event at WALMART!!!!! I might mention that I am in ladie's specialty retail, and the lack of a traditional inaugural ball definitely hurt my store's sales......grrrrr.

Cindy duPont said...

You make a lot of sense about the potential candidates and/or running mates. Out of that mix, I would have to agree that Romney has the best political credentials; however, I will vote for the candidate who has the best credentials PLUS the other facet....a deep, personal faith in the Judeo-Christian tradition. As a
deeply religious, Bible Belt Evangelical Christian,
faith matters at every level of my existence. I will not overtly judge another human being unless it becomes a matter of personal principle versus practicality, and the issue is forced on me...such as at the ballot box. Sometimes, logic and practicality lose out to faith. I admit it, yet I wouldn't consider my decision wrong.

Cindy duPont said...

uhhhhmmm...........I think I am having an epiphany....Your rhetoric and demeanor are all too familiar......I know who you are now......an interesting name change.....
your identity is safe with me.....